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Until he eventually lost all of his malevolence and finally made peace with Optimus at long last, sacrificing himself to save the Earth from annihilation and his spark traveling onward into another world to begin a new life as a hero, as the new leader of the Green Order and one of the new Warriors of the Seven Lights.o.supreme wrote:I understand that sentiment Dr. C. Even as a kid, I didn't think it was fair how so many Autobots were killed off in TF:TM, and only a few Decepticons. Also Megatron, by all rights would have, and should have succumbed to his injuries.
Oddly enough, the TF Prime film "Predacons Rising" made me look back at the original series. Although Galvatron had a new, more powerful body. It was at great cost. To eternally be a slave to Unicron, and tortured for every error that occurred. Some might rather welcome death. Also Season 3 of the Original Series played up the insanity of Galvatron after Unicron's demise. While the treatment in the S3 episode "Webworld" may have helped, it was pretty obvious that it wasn't until The Return of Optimus Prime; and his unleashing of the Wisdom within the Autobot Matrix which had the residual effect of not only curing the hate plague, but also Galvatron's madness. "There will be no war today Optimus Prime, you have earned Galvatron's Respect" (the first and only time Frank Welker didn't sound insane as Galvatron, since the 1986 Galvatron toy commercial)
Of course Galvatron remained a malevolent being as seen in "The Rebirth", or in the Japanese Headmasters series, albeit perhaps more dangerous now that he was not inhibited by insanity. Also, while the ultimate fate of Megatron/Galvatron may never be known in the Marvel/Sunbow continuity, we know that in the Japanese series, Galvatron had to endure quite a humiliating end at the hand of the Autobot Headmasters, only to be resurrected years later to serve another super powerful being (Dark Nova), to be destroyed multiple times yet again by his old rival Optimus Prime (now in a new body as Star Convoy)... So while his lifespan did drag on, I guess you can say Megatron/Galvatron (at least in the Japanese continuity), did get a comeuppance of constant death/resurrection/and torture in a cycle for quite some time.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:All the new character designs in this are fan art. They are not actually what they would have all looked like.Moonshot wrote:Well, thats pretty bad, but very interesting to see now. Basically everything was better in the final movie. But hindsight and all. One thing I do notice is they pretty much used the character design of Col Rusty as Lt Falcon later in the GI Joe movie. Very cool of Sabr to put this up here and Jim, Chris to put it all together and present it. What a find. I can only imagine some of the stuff Flint Dille and others from back then have in closets or have thrown away, hehe. Thanks everyone involved.
Well, if Studio series ever exhausts '86 designs and faces another gap before the next live action film, they could produce toys based on early concept art and vague descriptions, like when we finally got actual Star Wars figures of McQuarrie's original designs. For both TF:TM and the live action films, that is.Cyber Bishop wrote:NOW based on this fan art I would be curious if they attempted to make Tanker a toy using the current technology. I would most likely buy him in a heartbeat.
Bumblevivisector wrote:Well, if Studio series ever exhausts '86 designs and faces another gap before the next live action film, they could produce toys based on early concept art and vague descriptions, like when we finally got actual Star Wars figures of McQuarrie's original designs. For both TF:TM and the live action films, that is.Cyber Bishop wrote:NOW based on this fan art I would be curious if they attempted to make Tanker a toy using the current technology. I would most likely buy him in a heartbeat.
o.supreme wrote:I understand that sentiment Dr. C. Even as a kid, I didn't think it was fair how so many Autobots were killed off in TF:TM, and only a few Decepticons. Also Megatron, by all rights would have, and should have succumbed to his injuries.
Bumblevivisector wrote:Said it before, and I'll say it again and again, some comic company that gets the TF license in the future needs to start a tradition of doing a miniseries each year that adapts each of these early TFTM scripts, preferably devoting 4 to 6 issues to each in order to showcase every known piece of unused concept art.
Maybe start with this one while it's fresh in everyone's minds, then the following Friedman draft that was released as a PDF (through Disciples of Boltax?) about 15 years ago, with the Anibots, the Life Sparks of past 'Con leaders being rebuilt into Cyclonus and Scourge + minions, the Autobot Decoys growing from tiny versions reminiscent of the actual toy Decoys before Ultra Magnus deliberately lets Galvatron kill him, and Hot Rod getting cover fire from Jazz and other 'Bots on the moons Ingestor ate, still tangled in his innards.
Then go back to Flint Dille's original "Secret of Cybertron" script; if he can't find that in his closet as well, just pay him to rewrite it from memory!
Maybe add a framing story of Vector Prime obsessing over this critical juncture in the multiverse to explain why it'll be forever revisited. I've still got over a decade of catch-up on IDW comics ahead of me, but THAT I'd buy and read every year!
Moonshot wrote:Sabrblade wrote:All the new character designs in this are fan art. They are not actually what they would have all looked like.Moonshot wrote:Well, thats pretty bad, but very interesting to see now. Basically everything was better in the final movie. But hindsight and all. One thing I do notice is they pretty much used the character design of Col Rusty as Lt Falcon later in the GI Joe movie. Very cool of Sabr to put this up here and Jim, Chris to put it all together and present it. What a find. I can only imagine some of the stuff Flint Dille and others from back then have in closets or have thrown away, hehe. Thanks everyone involved.
I had read that in the article. Pretty good job they did as well, from some of the original descriptions in the script and their own artistic imaginations.
Cyber Bishop wrote:Bumblevivisector wrote:Well, if Studio series ever exhausts '86 designs and faces another gap before the next live action film, they could produce toys based on early concept art and vague descriptions, like when we finally got actual Star Wars figures of McQuarrie's original designs. For both TF:TM and the live action films, that is.Cyber Bishop wrote:NOW based on this fan art I would be curious if they attempted to make Tanker a toy using the current technology. I would most likely buy him in a heartbeat.
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Those designs aren't of "new" characters. I was talking about only the characters who exist specific to this draft, whose designs were newly made from scratch in the presentation's artwork.MaximalNui wrote:Actually, at least a few are based on Floro Dery's own artwork; namely Magnus and the Quintesson.
According to fellow user Greebtron, much of this draft's plot beats were recycled by Friedman from the second G.I. Joe miniseries, The Revenge of Cobra.chuckdawg1999 wrote:Perhaps Ron Friedman was basing some of the plot off of the pre, pre-transformers concepts, that odd storyline where Bumblebee looked more like a Go-Bot, I think it was going to be the Mysterions? This really feels like a Mysterions story.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:According to fellow user Greebtron, much of this draft's plot beats were recycled by Friedman from the second G.I. Joe miniseries, The Revenge of Cobra.chuckdawg1999 wrote:Perhaps Ron Friedman was basing some of the plot off of the pre, pre-transformers concepts, that odd storyline where Bumblebee looked more like a Go-Bot, I think it was going to be the Mysterions? This really feels like a Mysterions story.
Also, you're confusing Mysterians with Car and Cable.
Sabrblade wrote:According to fellow user Greebtron, much of this draft's plot beats were recycled by Friedman from the second G.I. Joe miniseries, The Revenge of Cobra.chuckdawg1999 wrote:Perhaps Ron Friedman was basing some of the plot off of the pre, pre-transformers concepts, that odd storyline where Bumblebee looked more like a Go-Bot, I think it was going to be the Mysterions? This really feels like a Mysterions story.
Also, you're confusing Mysterians with Car and Cable.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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