Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight
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Seibertronians, multiple news sources from the U.K. are reporting that Transformers: The Last Knight has continued filming in England by turning a home owned by Winston Churchill and his estate into Nazi Headquarters.
Yes, they have turned "Blenheim Palace", the early seventeen hundreds castle which was the birthplace of the WWII hero, into a recreation of Hitler's main HQ, with large Swastika flags and reportedly SS soldiers on the grounds.
This desicion has drawn some controversy from many communities, but what do you think? Do you find this to be in poor taste? Are you offended, or think it is alright? Tell us in the discussion below.
And, more to the point, how do you think Nazis will play into the Last Knight story? Escpecially considering the movie is already featuring the modern day and King Arthur-era time periods.
Check out a before and after compiarison of the castle below.
And, as always, keep it right here, on seibertron.com for all the latest Transformers: The Last Knight news.
Yes, they have turned "Blenheim Palace", the early seventeen hundreds castle which was the birthplace of the WWII hero, into a recreation of Hitler's main HQ, with large Swastika flags and reportedly SS soldiers on the grounds.
This desicion has drawn some controversy from many communities, but what do you think? Do you find this to be in poor taste? Are you offended, or think it is alright? Tell us in the discussion below.
And, more to the point, how do you think Nazis will play into the Last Knight story? Escpecially considering the movie is already featuring the modern day and King Arthur-era time periods.
Check out a before and after compiarison of the castle below.
And, as always, keep it right here, on seibertron.com for all the latest Transformers: The Last Knight news.
Credit(s): The Sun, The Guardian
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Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827628)
Posted by JazZeke on September 23rd, 2016 @ 11:31am CDT
Posted by JazZeke on September 23rd, 2016 @ 11:31am CDT
That just seems in poor taste to me.
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827631)
Posted by Autobot N on September 23rd, 2016 @ 11:35am CDT
Posted by Autobot N on September 23rd, 2016 @ 11:35am CDT
As long as I get to see Hound punt a Nazi and yell MERICA, then I'm fine with it.
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827635)
Posted by Bronzewolf on September 23rd, 2016 @ 11:40am CDT
Yeah, I feel the same.
"I want to turn a english castle into a Nazi base...Wait, no, I want to turn one of the biggest heroes of WWII's castle into a Nazi base."
And, in all honesty, I find extreme interest in the World Wars. I think the technological advances were amazing, I just find it interesting. And I love period renacted documentaries about them, so seeing the second picture is kind of cool to me in a way??? Not in a "I'm a Neo-Nazi" kind of way, but in a historical way? With the lights and smoke and such. I think they totally should have gone with a different castle, but seeing it like that is facinating.
Ooh, boy, minefield there.
Posted by Bronzewolf on September 23rd, 2016 @ 11:40am CDT
JazZeke wrote:That just seems in poor taste to me.
Yeah, I feel the same.
"I want to turn a english castle into a Nazi base...Wait, no, I want to turn one of the biggest heroes of WWII's castle into a Nazi base."
And, in all honesty, I find extreme interest in the World Wars. I think the technological advances were amazing, I just find it interesting. And I love period renacted documentaries about them, so seeing the second picture is kind of cool to me in a way??? Not in a "I'm a Neo-Nazi" kind of way, but in a historical way? With the lights and smoke and such. I think they totally should have gone with a different castle, but seeing it like that is facinating.
Ooh, boy, minefield there.
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827636)
Posted by Noideaforaname on September 23rd, 2016 @ 11:41am CDT
Posted by Noideaforaname on September 23rd, 2016 @ 11:41am CDT
What is this movie even anymore?!
I'm assuming at this point time travel HAS to be a thing. I know people have been claiming that forever, but I just don't see how Merlin, Nazis, and alien space robots disguised as police cars could otherwise fit together.
I'm assuming at this point time travel HAS to be a thing. I know people have been claiming that forever, but I just don't see how Merlin, Nazis, and alien space robots disguised as police cars could otherwise fit together.
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827638)
Posted by Bronzewolf on September 23rd, 2016 @ 11:46am CDT
I disagree. I think it'll play out like the beginning of the first National Treasure movie, where a treasure or artifact goes through the hands of many legendary groups. It's something created by the transformers, that the Arthurians were protecting. Fast forward a few hundred years, and The Nazi's seized it during an attack on england, and then it goes on from there. Time travel's a possibility, too.
Posted by Bronzewolf on September 23rd, 2016 @ 11:46am CDT
Noideaforaname wrote:What is this movie even anymore?!
I'm assuming at this point time travel HAS to be a thing. I know people have been claiming that forever, but I just don't see how Merlin, Nazis, and alien space robots disguised as police cars could otherwise fit together.
I disagree. I think it'll play out like the beginning of the first National Treasure movie, where a treasure or artifact goes through the hands of many legendary groups. It's something created by the transformers, that the Arthurians were protecting. Fast forward a few hundred years, and The Nazi's seized it during an attack on england, and then it goes on from there. Time travel's a possibility, too.
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827639)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on September 23rd, 2016 @ 11:49am CDT
Yes Please
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on September 23rd, 2016 @ 11:49am CDT
Carnivius_Prime wrote:Is it too much to ask for Hasbro to include a lil Freya figurine with a TLK Transformers figure?
Yes Please
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827640)
Posted by MemphisR56 on September 23rd, 2016 @ 11:50am CDT
Posted by MemphisR56 on September 23rd, 2016 @ 11:50am CDT
I came here to submit this news!
I think it's sort of in poor taste, but you have to wonder which twat at blenheim signed off on the idea.
In a major case of terrible luck, Churchill has been added to the new plastic £5 notes, which entered circulation for the first time this month, so Churchill's legacy has been particularly high profile of late.
Paramount really screwed the pooch on this one. And it's a shame people will level criticism at hasbro and the transformers brand as a result. PR nightmare even though they had nothing to do with it.
I think it's sort of in poor taste, but you have to wonder which twat at blenheim signed off on the idea.
In a major case of terrible luck, Churchill has been added to the new plastic £5 notes, which entered circulation for the first time this month, so Churchill's legacy has been particularly high profile of late.
Paramount really screwed the pooch on this one. And it's a shame people will level criticism at hasbro and the transformers brand as a result. PR nightmare even though they had nothing to do with it.
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827641)
Posted by Madeus Prime on September 23rd, 2016 @ 11:50am CDT
Posted by Madeus Prime on September 23rd, 2016 @ 11:50am CDT
Bay: "Hey you know what'd be a good idea?"
Location scout: "Um...what?"
Bay: "I want to film part of the pointless flashback sequence in Nazi headquarters in Germany!"
Location scout: "Certainly Mr. Bay, I'll get on the phone with our people to find a place in Germany."
Bay: "Nah, don't worry, I found a nice mansion here."
Location scout: "Huh? Where? Like one of those hidden gem manor houses-?"
Bay: "What? No, I found this cool place called Blenheim Palace, it's famous!"
Location scout: "...You want to film what was the center of one of the most horrifying events in history in the home of the man who directed almost every effort against it and is still considered a heroic figure in history?!"
Bay: "Yeah! Why? Is that a problem?
Location scout:
Location scout: "Um...what?"
Bay: "I want to film part of the pointless flashback sequence in Nazi headquarters in Germany!"
Location scout: "Certainly Mr. Bay, I'll get on the phone with our people to find a place in Germany."
Bay: "Nah, don't worry, I found a nice mansion here."
Location scout: "Huh? Where? Like one of those hidden gem manor houses-?"
Bay: "What? No, I found this cool place called Blenheim Palace, it's famous!"
Location scout: "...You want to film what was the center of one of the most horrifying events in history in the home of the man who directed almost every effort against it and is still considered a heroic figure in history?!"
Bay: "Yeah! Why? Is that a problem?
Location scout:
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827644)
Posted by Randomhero on September 23rd, 2016 @ 12:03pm CDT
Posted by Randomhero on September 23rd, 2016 @ 12:03pm CDT
How about everyone stop reminding us they need to be offended by everything and take a moment to use some common sense. To shoot there, multiple meetings were had to shoot there, the script had to be read and approved thoroughly. It wasn't just Bay saying "yeah let's just do it" That's no how that works.
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827645)
Posted by Megatron Wolf on September 23rd, 2016 @ 12:06pm CDT
Posted by Megatron Wolf on September 23rd, 2016 @ 12:06pm CDT
We all knew bay was a douchebag this just solidifies it, the man has no respect for anything. Hes turned the franchise into a joke and now this
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827646)
Posted by Bumblevivisector on September 23rd, 2016 @ 12:10pm CDT
Posted by Bumblevivisector on September 23rd, 2016 @ 12:10pm CDT
This would be most justifiable if this movie's macguffix has the ability to create or enable travel between alternate realities, and this is the establishing shot for the Transformers-meet-the-Man-in-the-High-Castle universe where the Nazis won the war, but from what little we know about the plot, that doesn't seem likely.
The saddest part is that on the off chance this turns out to be the movie Bay finally knocks out of the park in terms of storytelling and characterization, it could end up tainted by the tastelessness of this scene in public memory, and Paramount and Hasbro will forbid him from replicating anything he does well here for TF6.
The saddest part is that on the off chance this turns out to be the movie Bay finally knocks out of the park in terms of storytelling and characterization, it could end up tainted by the tastelessness of this scene in public memory, and Paramount and Hasbro will forbid him from replicating anything he does well here for TF6.
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827648)
Posted by Big Grim on September 23rd, 2016 @ 12:15pm CDT
Posted by Big Grim on September 23rd, 2016 @ 12:15pm CDT
It takes a hell of a lot to offend me. This is not offensive but is in poor taste and a case of blind stupidity.
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827650)
Posted by Tyrannacon on September 23rd, 2016 @ 12:16pm CDT
Posted by Tyrannacon on September 23rd, 2016 @ 12:16pm CDT
What the heck is going on in this film? 
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827653)
Posted by JazZeke on September 23rd, 2016 @ 12:18pm CDT
Posted by JazZeke on September 23rd, 2016 @ 12:18pm CDT
I just wanna add; between Bumblebee pissing, Devastator's balls and now this, Bay has a knack for making me feel embarrassed to be a Transformers fan.
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827656)
Posted by Randomhero on September 23rd, 2016 @ 12:29pm CDT
Yes it must be very difficult for you to tell people you're a transformers fan and they say "oh the movie that came out 10 years ago with the yellow robot that pees on someone for 3 seconds in a 2 hour long movie?" How do you get up in the morning with that much shame in your life?
Posted by Randomhero on September 23rd, 2016 @ 12:29pm CDT
JazZeke wrote:I just wanna add; between Bumblebee pissing, Devastator's balls and now this, Bay has a knack for making me feel embarrassed to be a Transformers fan.
Yes it must be very difficult for you to tell people you're a transformers fan and they say "oh the movie that came out 10 years ago with the yellow robot that pees on someone for 3 seconds in a 2 hour long movie?" How do you get up in the morning with that much shame in your life?
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827658)
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on September 23rd, 2016 @ 12:38pm CDT
Animated made me embarrased to be a TF fan. Ok I wasn't the target audience but I tried giving it a go and that show made me cringe so badly til I had to give up on it and had nearly destroyed the renewed interested (apart from the very rare occassion of a cheap Armada, Energon, CYbertron figure purchase I hadn't had much interest in the franchise since the end of the G2 comic) I'd gained in Transformers from the classics line bringing back old faves and the 2007 movie finally giving me the more realistic and complex designs I had wanted since I was a kid. And Kissplayers embarrased me, not that I had any interest in it but somebody had posted about it to my mum on facebook and she seemed freaked out that she had ever bought me Transformers when I was a kid assuming that the entire line was that.
I'm pretty curious as to what the heck's going on here. Looking forward to it and it's toyline.
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on September 23rd, 2016 @ 12:38pm CDT
JazZeke wrote:I just wanna add; between Bumblebee pissing, Devastator's balls and now this, Bay has a knack for making me feel embarrassed to be a Transformers fan.
Animated made me embarrased to be a TF fan. Ok I wasn't the target audience but I tried giving it a go and that show made me cringe so badly til I had to give up on it and had nearly destroyed the renewed interested (apart from the very rare occassion of a cheap Armada, Energon, CYbertron figure purchase I hadn't had much interest in the franchise since the end of the G2 comic) I'd gained in Transformers from the classics line bringing back old faves and the 2007 movie finally giving me the more realistic and complex designs I had wanted since I was a kid. And Kissplayers embarrased me, not that I had any interest in it but somebody had posted about it to my mum on facebook and she seemed freaked out that she had ever bought me Transformers when I was a kid assuming that the entire line was that.
I'm pretty curious as to what the heck's going on here. Looking forward to it and it's toyline.
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827661)
Posted by Insurgent on September 23rd, 2016 @ 12:41pm CDT
Posted by Insurgent on September 23rd, 2016 @ 12:41pm CDT
Of all the castles and all the mansions in this country to choose, they picked that one? Probably the only one I have an issue with them doing that with?
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Posted by Evil Eye on September 23rd, 2016 @ 12:45pm CDT
Posted by Evil Eye on September 23rd, 2016 @ 12:45pm CDT
I'm not OFFENDED by it as much as bamboozled. I mean, of all the places they thought would make a good Nazi base...Churchill's home? Doesn't seem poor taste so much as a weird decision. I mean there's plenty of places in the UK that would make a good "evil Nazi fortress". We've got thousands of castles and houses after all. And heck, why not use somewhere in Germany itself?
Oh yeah, they've got their ridiculous laws against anything even remotely Nazi-esque regardless of context. Well, that wouldn't work but the point still stands.
Oh yeah, they've got their ridiculous laws against anything even remotely Nazi-esque regardless of context. Well, that wouldn't work but the point still stands.
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827673)
Posted by Microraptor on September 23rd, 2016 @ 1:00pm CDT
Posted by Microraptor on September 23rd, 2016 @ 1:00pm CDT
I'm going to guess this is an alternate "bad" future. That, or the nazis had a base that looked like Churchill's house so they're using it. I'm not offended or anything, I'm just trying to figure out what the deal is.
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827676)
Posted by Deadput on September 23rd, 2016 @ 1:21pm CDT
Posted by Deadput on September 23rd, 2016 @ 1:21pm CDT
You people are so damn sensitive why do you even care?
I bet most of you don't even have a personal connection to this and are just complaining because it's not what you want.
I bet most of you don't even have a personal connection to this and are just complaining because it's not what you want.
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827684)
Posted by Kurona on September 23rd, 2016 @ 1:47pm CDT
I certainly don't want Bay draping Nazi symbols over the home of the man who lead Britain against the Nazis during the war, no. Can't say it's something I particularly want.
Posted by Kurona on September 23rd, 2016 @ 1:47pm CDT
Deadput wrote:You people are so damn sensitive why do you even care?
I bet most of you don't even have a personal connection to this and are just complaining because it's not what you want.
I certainly don't want Bay draping Nazi symbols over the home of the man who lead Britain against the Nazis during the war, no. Can't say it's something I particularly want.
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827685)
Posted by Insurgent on September 23rd, 2016 @ 1:48pm CDT
Because it would be like going to Martin Luthor King Jr's home and dressing that up as the HQ of the KKK for a film. There's being oversensitive, and then there's respecting history. Any other castle or mansion and I wouldn't care.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not throwing a hissy fit over this. I just think this is the one building in the UK that shouldn't be done up like Nazi HQ.
Posted by Insurgent on September 23rd, 2016 @ 1:48pm CDT
Deadput wrote:You people are so damn sensitive why do you even care?
I bet most of you don't even have a personal connection to this and are just complaining because it's not what you want.
Because it would be like going to Martin Luthor King Jr's home and dressing that up as the HQ of the KKK for a film. There's being oversensitive, and then there's respecting history. Any other castle or mansion and I wouldn't care.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not throwing a hissy fit over this. I just think this is the one building in the UK that shouldn't be done up like Nazi HQ.
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827697)
Posted by Stuartmaximus on September 23rd, 2016 @ 2:15pm CDT
Posted by Stuartmaximus on September 23rd, 2016 @ 2:15pm CDT
Sooo! could we be getting a Hearts Of Steel style Seeker then 
& haven't we had mini dinobots already?(well....at least where the Bayformer toyline is concerned)
& haven't we had mini dinobots already?(well....at least where the Bayformer toyline is concerned)
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827698)
Posted by Kurona on September 23rd, 2016 @ 2:18pm CDT
But... but that's a tank...
Posted by Kurona on September 23rd, 2016 @ 2:18pm CDT
Stuartmaximus wrote:Sooo! could we be getting a Hearts Of Steel style Seeker then
But... but that's a tank...
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Posted by Dr. Caelus on September 23rd, 2016 @ 2:22pm CDT
Posted by Dr. Caelus on September 23rd, 2016 @ 2:22pm CDT
It would be silly to choose a national landmark to make a Nazi HQ for a flashback.
But it makes PERFECT sense for an alternate reality created by time travel shenanigans.
Seems likely that they did it for the same reason an artist sat down and did this. It's supposed to frighten and anger you. If you're offended by the idea of Nazi flags hanging from the eves of a national treasure, raise a glass to Churchill and his fellows for preventing that from transpiring in reality.
And WWII would be several decades after Hearts of Steel...
But it makes PERFECT sense for an alternate reality created by time travel shenanigans.
Seems likely that they did it for the same reason an artist sat down and did this. It's supposed to frighten and anger you. If you're offended by the idea of Nazi flags hanging from the eves of a national treasure, raise a glass to Churchill and his fellows for preventing that from transpiring in reality.
Kurona wrote:Stuartmaximus wrote:Sooo! could we be getting a Hearts Of Steel style Seeker then
But... but that's a tank...
And WWII would be several decades after Hearts of Steel...
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827703)
Posted by Stuartmaximus on September 23rd, 2016 @ 2:28pm CDT
Erm....it's a WWI tank! not II
Posted by Stuartmaximus on September 23rd, 2016 @ 2:28pm CDT
Caelus wrote:It would be silly to choose a national landmark to make a Nazi HQ for a flashback.
But it makes PERFECT sense for an alternate reality created by time travel shenanigans.
Seems likely that they did it for the same reason an artist sat down and did this. It's supposed to frighten and anger you. If you're offended by the idea of Nazi flags hanging from the eves of a national treasure, raise a glass to Churchill and his fellows for preventing that from transpiring in reality.Kurona wrote:Stuartmaximus wrote:Sooo! could we be getting a Hearts Of Steel style Seeker then
But... but that's a tank...
And WWII would be several decades after Hearts of Steel...
Erm....it's a WWI tank! not II
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827705)
Posted by Kurona on September 23rd, 2016 @ 2:31pm CDT
Posted by Kurona on September 23rd, 2016 @ 2:31pm CDT
Point being, why would a seeker be a tank? That's like, the most un-seeker like alt-mode ever. The shattered glass seekers being cars makes more sense than tanks.
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Posted by Ultimate Weapon1 on September 23rd, 2016 @ 2:33pm CDT
Posted by Ultimate Weapon1 on September 23rd, 2016 @ 2:33pm CDT
Ummm whaaaaaaaaa? 
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827709)
Posted by RSC on September 23rd, 2016 @ 2:35pm CDT
Posted by RSC on September 23rd, 2016 @ 2:35pm CDT
If there's time travel, then there's the possibility of the timeline being screwed up. It's not like Churchill was killed by Nazis or anything. I'm sure there will be plenty of other terrible things in the movie like dialogue and acting and transformers that don't transform in any plausible way...
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Posted by Deadput on September 23rd, 2016 @ 2:35pm CDT
I wasn't there for either of those events so they have no effect on me so I don't care and really were any of you people friends with Churchill?
If not why do you care it doesn't effect your everyday life?
It's a movie it's not like Bay is a Nazi himself or trying to destroy the place he just dressed a building up to be like another building for a movie.
And you guys do know that Bay is allowed to film there with permission and all so obviously the owners of the building agreed to it so it's as much as their fault as it is Bay's
Posted by Deadput on September 23rd, 2016 @ 2:35pm CDT
Insurgent wrote:
Because it would be like going to Martin Luthor King Jr's home and dressing that up as the HQ of the KKK for a film. There's being oversensitive, and then there's respecting history. Any other castle or mansion and I wouldn't care.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not throwing a hissy fit over this. I just think this is the one building in the UK that shouldn't be done up like Nazi HQ.
I wasn't there for either of those events so they have no effect on me so I don't care and really were any of you people friends with Churchill?
If not why do you care it doesn't effect your everyday life?
It's a movie it's not like Bay is a Nazi himself or trying to destroy the place he just dressed a building up to be like another building for a movie.
And you guys do know that Bay is allowed to film there with permission and all so obviously the owners of the building agreed to it so it's as much as their fault as it is Bay's
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Posted by Deadput on September 23rd, 2016 @ 2:37pm CDT
Are you forgetting what the Movie Seekers are?
Those guys are the ancient guys like Jetfire who transform into old vehicles like old cars and planes.
Does anyone actually pay attention to these films before dismissing them as trash?
Posted by Deadput on September 23rd, 2016 @ 2:37pm CDT
Kurona wrote:Point being, why would a seeker be a tank? That's like, the most un-seeker like alt-mode ever. The shattered glass seekers being cars makes more sense than tanks.
Are you forgetting what the Movie Seekers are?
Those guys are the ancient guys like Jetfire who transform into old vehicles like old cars and planes.
Does anyone actually pay attention to these films before dismissing them as trash?
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Posted by Kurona on September 23rd, 2016 @ 2:44pm CDT
What you're suggesting is to completely disregard the past and not care about it simply because you weren't personally involved it. If you want to go that way, fine; but I can tell you without a doubt that's a rather specific philosophy that many of us do not subscribe to. I respect the contributions of the people of the past despite not knowing them personally, and hence I wish to respect them as people as well. So please don't dismiss it as if it shouldn't matter to me. That's utterly ridiculous.
Posted by Kurona on September 23rd, 2016 @ 2:44pm CDT
Deadput wrote:Insurgent wrote:
Because it would be like going to Martin Luthor King Jr's home and dressing that up as the HQ of the KKK for a film. There's being oversensitive, and then there's respecting history. Any other castle or mansion and I wouldn't care.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not throwing a hissy fit over this. I just think this is the one building in the UK that shouldn't be done up like Nazi HQ.
I wasn't there for either of those events so they have no effect on me so I don't care and really were any of you people friends with Churchill?
If not why do you care it doesn't effect your everyday life?
It's a movie it's not like Bay is a Nazi himself or trying to destroy the place he just dressed a building up to be like another building for a movie.
And you guys do know that Bay is allowed to film there with permission and all so obviously the owners of the building agreed to it so it's as much as their fault as it is Bay's
What you're suggesting is to completely disregard the past and not care about it simply because you weren't personally involved it. If you want to go that way, fine; but I can tell you without a doubt that's a rather specific philosophy that many of us do not subscribe to. I respect the contributions of the people of the past despite not knowing them personally, and hence I wish to respect them as people as well. So please don't dismiss it as if it shouldn't matter to me. That's utterly ridiculous.
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Posted by Dr. Caelus on September 23rd, 2016 @ 2:45pm CDT
Well, given that the Nazi's didn't sieze control of Germany until 1933, I figured this happened closer to WWII than WWI. I also figured that the MkVIII tanks were still in service by the beginning of WWII, but it does look like they were all retired by 1932.
Either way, decades after Hearts of Steel took place.
Posted by Dr. Caelus on September 23rd, 2016 @ 2:45pm CDT
Stuartmaximus wrote:Caelus wrote:It would be silly to choose a national landmark to make a Nazi HQ for a flashback.
But it makes PERFECT sense for an alternate reality created by time travel shenanigans.
Seems likely that they did it for the same reason an artist sat down and did this. It's supposed to frighten and anger you. If you're offended by the idea of Nazi flags hanging from the eves of a national treasure, raise a glass to Churchill and his fellows for preventing that from transpiring in reality.Kurona wrote:Stuartmaximus wrote:Sooo! could we be getting a Hearts Of Steel style Seeker then
But... but that's a tank...
And WWII would be several decades after Hearts of Steel...
Erm....it's a WWI tank! not II
Well, given that the Nazi's didn't sieze control of Germany until 1933, I figured this happened closer to WWII than WWI. I also figured that the MkVIII tanks were still in service by the beginning of WWII, but it does look like they were all retired by 1932.
Either way, decades after Hearts of Steel took place.
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Posted by Deadput on September 23rd, 2016 @ 2:50pm CDT
And everything they all did in the past was for nothing because we are still making these stupid mistakes all the time because of stupid reasons.
So really the past means nothing it's all about the future.
Posted by Deadput on September 23rd, 2016 @ 2:50pm CDT
Kurona wrote:What you're suggesting is to completely disregard the past and not care about it simply because you weren't personally involved it. If you want to go that way, fine; but I can tell you without a doubt that's a rather specific philosophy that many of us do not subscribe to. I respect the contributions of the people of the past despite not knowing them personally, and hence I wish to respect them as people as well. So please don't dismiss it as if it shouldn't matter to me. That's utterly ridiculous.
And everything they all did in the past was for nothing because we are still making these stupid mistakes all the time because of stupid reasons.
So really the past means nothing it's all about the future.
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827719)
Posted by Kurona on September 23rd, 2016 @ 2:55pm CDT
I really don't want to continue the conversation past this, but just so I'm absolutely clear: you're saying everything in the past was for nothing and worthless, within the context that the specific example we are talking about was the prevention of the Nazis successfully taking over the world and enforcing their dictatorship upon us all.
I'm just checking; you do know this, right? Not even in connection to any prior argument; just checking because I'm a little concerned. You're saying that stopping that didn't matter?
Posted by Kurona on September 23rd, 2016 @ 2:55pm CDT
Deadput wrote:Kurona wrote:What you're suggesting is to completely disregard the past and not care about it simply because you weren't personally involved it. If you want to go that way, fine; but I can tell you without a doubt that's a rather specific philosophy that many of us do not subscribe to. I respect the contributions of the people of the past despite not knowing them personally, and hence I wish to respect them as people as well. So please don't dismiss it as if it shouldn't matter to me. That's utterly ridiculous.
And everything they all did in the past was for nothing because we are still making these stupid mistakes all the time because of stupid reasons.
So really the past means nothing it's all about the future.
I really don't want to continue the conversation past this, but just so I'm absolutely clear: you're saying everything in the past was for nothing and worthless, within the context that the specific example we are talking about was the prevention of the Nazis successfully taking over the world and enforcing their dictatorship upon us all.
I'm just checking; you do know this, right? Not even in connection to any prior argument; just checking because I'm a little concerned. You're saying that stopping that didn't matter?
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827722)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on September 23rd, 2016 @ 3:00pm CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on September 23rd, 2016 @ 3:00pm CDT
Enough Please, back to talking Transformers.
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827723)
Posted by Bronzewolf on September 23rd, 2016 @ 3:01pm CDT
Um, okay? I guess? I mean, so, does 9/11 not mean anything to people born after September Eleventh 2001? It doesn't matter?
I wasn't there when people still owned thousands of other people just because of the color of their skin...does that mean that shouldn't matter?
I wasn't there when Pearl Harbor happened. Does that mean the coutless lives lost don't matter?
I wasn't there when the Atomic Bombs dropped. Does that mean those people that died are just stepping stones to the future? Their deaths don't matter?
The hundreds upon hundreds of people oppressed, tortured, and killed, I wasn't there, so their lives don't matter. Eh, I don't care.
I'm not trying to start an argument, I'm just trying to get an understanding of your philosophy.
Posted by Bronzewolf on September 23rd, 2016 @ 3:01pm CDT
Deadput wrote:Kurona wrote:What you're suggesting is to completely disregard the past and not care about it simply because you weren't personally involved it. If you want to go that way, fine; but I can tell you without a doubt that's a rather specific philosophy that many of us do not subscribe to. I respect the contributions of the people of the past despite not knowing them personally, and hence I wish to respect them as people as well. So please don't dismiss it as if it shouldn't matter to me. That's utterly ridiculous.
And everything they all did in the past was for nothing because we are still making these stupid mistakes all the time because of stupid reasons.
So really the past means nothing it's all about the future.
Um, okay? I guess? I mean, so, does 9/11 not mean anything to people born after September Eleventh 2001? It doesn't matter?
I wasn't there when people still owned thousands of other people just because of the color of their skin...does that mean that shouldn't matter?
I wasn't there when Pearl Harbor happened. Does that mean the coutless lives lost don't matter?
I wasn't there when the Atomic Bombs dropped. Does that mean those people that died are just stepping stones to the future? Their deaths don't matter?
The hundreds upon hundreds of people oppressed, tortured, and killed, I wasn't there, so their lives don't matter. Eh, I don't care.
I'm not trying to start an argument, I'm just trying to get an understanding of your philosophy.
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827725)
Posted by Deadput on September 23rd, 2016 @ 3:05pm CDT
Sorry for the ranting I'll stop here just frustrated and tend to not think these conversations through.
It's more like I feel like we are only delaying the inevitable like there will always be a Hitler, Osama Bin Laden or a Donald Trump around to one day take over the world.
Also being a Christian there is always the Anti Christ that will show up one day (no not trying to push my views around believe what you want about God and all that)
Posted by Deadput on September 23rd, 2016 @ 3:05pm CDT
Kurona wrote:I really don't want to continue the conversation past this, but just so I'm absolutely clear: you're saying everything in the past was for nothing and worthless, within the context that the specific example we are talking about was the prevention of the Nazis successfully taking over the world and enforcing their dictatorship upon us all.
I'm just checking; you do know this, right? Not even in connection to any prior argument; just checking because I'm a little concerned. You're saying that stopping that didn't matter?
Sorry for the ranting I'll stop here just frustrated and tend to not think these conversations through.
It's more like I feel like we are only delaying the inevitable like there will always be a Hitler, Osama Bin Laden or a Donald Trump around to one day take over the world.
Also being a Christian there is always the Anti Christ that will show up one day (no not trying to push my views around believe what you want about God and all that)
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827727)
Posted by Big Grim on September 23rd, 2016 @ 3:07pm CDT
Posted by Big Grim on September 23rd, 2016 @ 3:07pm CDT
Guys, please don't feed the troll. Internet 101.
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827728)
Posted by Deadput on September 23rd, 2016 @ 3:09pm CDT
Not a troll just saying.
And I'm done no more drama from me here I just hate the constant hate on the movies I like.
Posted by Deadput on September 23rd, 2016 @ 3:09pm CDT
Big Grim wrote:Guys, please don't feed the troll. Internet 101.
Not a troll just saying.
And I'm done no more drama from me here I just hate the constant hate on the movies I like.
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827732)
Posted by Dr. Caelus on September 23rd, 2016 @ 3:14pm CDT
I think he's contending that the past only matters if you learn from it or maybe that the only way to truly honor the past is to learn from it and do better.
From that perspective, arguing over where you film a movie or how you dress the set would seem petty - like fussing over your grand-dad's grave marker while the neighborhood bully beats up your brother. On the other hand, in that context, complaining about someone complaining about the grave-marker would be just as petty.
Posted by Dr. Caelus on September 23rd, 2016 @ 3:14pm CDT
Bronzewolf wrote:I'm not trying to start an argument, I'm just trying to get an understanding of your philosophy.
I think he's contending that the past only matters if you learn from it or maybe that the only way to truly honor the past is to learn from it and do better.
From that perspective, arguing over where you film a movie or how you dress the set would seem petty - like fussing over your grand-dad's grave marker while the neighborhood bully beats up your brother. On the other hand, in that context, complaining about someone complaining about the grave-marker would be just as petty.
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827735)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on September 23rd, 2016 @ 3:16pm CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on September 23rd, 2016 @ 3:16pm CDT
Second Friendly Reminder: Please get back on topic. We don't want or need any socio-political stuff getting going here
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827736)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on September 23rd, 2016 @ 3:20pm CDT
Posted by Hellscream9999 on September 23rd, 2016 @ 3:20pm CDT
I agree, it does seem to be leaning a little towards being in bad taste, but maybe it's being used for one of those time-travel-changed-the-future shock scenes where the bad future is summarized succinctly in a scene with a caption -this would certainly fulfill that role
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827737)
Posted by Dr. Caelus on September 23rd, 2016 @ 3:20pm CDT
In our defense:
Posted by Dr. Caelus on September 23rd, 2016 @ 3:20pm CDT
D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Second Friendly Reminder: Please get back on topic. We don't want or need any socio-political stuff getting going here
In our defense:
This desicion has drawn some controversy from many communities, but what do you think? Do you find this to be in poor taste? Are you offended, or think it is alright? Tell us in the discussion below.
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827738)
Posted by Kurona on September 23rd, 2016 @ 3:23pm CDT
No, no. We were off-topic and in the wrong; it got a bit too heated.
Posted by Kurona on September 23rd, 2016 @ 3:23pm CDT
Caelus wrote:D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Second Friendly Reminder: Please get back on topic. We don't want or need any socio-political stuff getting going here
In our defense:This desicion has drawn some controversy from many communities, but what do you think? Do you find this to be in poor taste? Are you offended, or think it is alright? Tell us in the discussion below.
No, no. We were off-topic and in the wrong; it got a bit too heated.
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827746)
Posted by Deadput on September 23rd, 2016 @ 3:31pm CDT
Yeah your right my bad for starting this any further comments will be on topic and hopefully less angry and more thought out.
Posted by Deadput on September 23rd, 2016 @ 3:31pm CDT
Kurona wrote:No, no. We were off-topic and in the wrong; it got a bit too heated.
Yeah your right my bad for starting this any further comments will be on topic and hopefully less angry and more thought out.
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827749)
Posted by Burn on September 23rd, 2016 @ 3:34pm CDT
Burn is watching ...
Posted by Burn on September 23rd, 2016 @ 3:34pm CDT
Burn is watching ...
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827750)
Posted by Triptykon on September 23rd, 2016 @ 3:34pm CDT
Posted by Triptykon on September 23rd, 2016 @ 3:34pm CDT
England makes sense, as much of the architecture to the layman is similar to what he's looking for, and production costs were probably cheaper than say...Czech Republic or whatnot (as many formerly oppressed nations would laugh at the idea).also, just about any reference to Nazi's, has been erased from German history, not even taught in schools, and the swastika is illegal. New groups have formed entirely new graphics around their movements as a result.
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827758)
Posted by Big Grim on September 23rd, 2016 @ 3:54pm CDT
Fair enough. My apologies. I get wanting to protect something you love, but ya gotta admit, the Bayverse ain't helped itself.
I love the first film. Second is alright. Third I started getting fatigued though I love Nimoy's return to the fold as Sentinel Prime. That frickin' voice! Fourth, I had high hopes for but it was too long, too meandering and the Dinobots were utterly wasted. It's only real redeeming features were Frank Welker as Mega....Galvatron and John Goodman because I love John Goodman.
*Edit*
And Drift's surprise that the Dinos didn't transform into giant cars.
Posted by Big Grim on September 23rd, 2016 @ 3:54pm CDT
Deadput wrote: I'm done no more drama from me here I just hate the constant hate on the movies I like.
Fair enough. My apologies. I get wanting to protect something you love, but ya gotta admit, the Bayverse ain't helped itself.
I love the first film. Second is alright. Third I started getting fatigued though I love Nimoy's return to the fold as Sentinel Prime. That frickin' voice! Fourth, I had high hopes for but it was too long, too meandering and the Dinobots were utterly wasted. It's only real redeeming features were Frank Welker as Mega....Galvatron and John Goodman because I love John Goodman.
*Edit*
And Drift's surprise that the Dinos didn't transform into giant cars.
Re: Churchill home transformed into Nazi Base for Transformers 5: The Last Knight (1827764)
Posted by DedicatedGhostArt on September 23rd, 2016 @ 4:17pm CDT
Posted by DedicatedGhostArt on September 23rd, 2016 @ 4:17pm CDT
I am... numb. That is the only way I can describe my reaction to this. Part of me want to laugh, and part of me wants to rage at the screen, so now I'm just numb.
Regarding plot, I think this may confirm something I have been thinking which is that the Transformers movies will introduce Transformers characters in other time periods. Like maybe showing a robot's appearance and backstory years or centuries before, and then them all meeting up with the regular cast years later.
Regarding plot, I think this may confirm something I have been thinking which is that the Transformers movies will introduce Transformers characters in other time periods. Like maybe showing a robot's appearance and backstory years or centuries before, and then them all meeting up with the regular cast years later.
